Ty Belknap 00:00
Welcome everybody to Episode 27 of Simple Christians podcast. I’ve got a treat for you today, I have with me Angie Hall of Transformation Coaching Solutions. She also happens to be a pastor at Pacific Coast Church.
Angie Hall, welcome to Simple Christians.
Angie Hall 00:27
Thank you so much. Thanks for having me. It’s really cool to be here. You and I have had some history educationally we both went to Faith Seminary). And it’s been a blast to watch each other launch some of our own endeavors. And here’s one that I feel like you’re doing a great job. So I feel honored to be here with you today.
Ty Belknap 00:50
Thank you so much. Angie, you said something before recording started that I just loved.
Angie Hall 01:13
Yeah, as we were talking about your theme for (January 2022), and what that might look like, and I and I was like, renewed faith, renewed faith.
You know, to renew something, you kind of have to have had a handle on what it was to begin with. So that got me thinking and going. Okay, so what is our faith? So, maybe it’s not that we’re trying to renew it. In the scheme of things. We’re refocusing on the, our faith in the right direction.
Let me put it that way. That’s my thought for you. Yeah. There’s more, you know, when I think about myself in the times that I might feel like I’ve had an awakening and faith of some sort. It’s typically based on some sort of circumstance; something has happened, or something that I had hoped would happen hasn’t happened. And I think that when things in situations like that come up. We feel like our disappointment, or whatever’s going on may cause us to lose faith or wane in our faith, when in actuality, we’ve applied our faith in a different place in those moments.
And so our hope, and our convictions and everything is placed on who God is, what Jesus said, what God said, and all of those things. But I think that when we’re walking day to day, and things happen in our lives, or don’t happen in our lives, we kind of shift our gaze a bit, and we put them somewhere else.
So it’s not necessarily that we believe that God changed who he is, or that Jesus isn’t saying what he said. It’s just that we put our hope somewhere else, for those moments.
Ty Belknap 03:36
I like that a lot. Especially for all you that are listening and that have been listening to simple Christians. I love this even more. I didn’t ask Angie to do to quote scripture. And as you know, I quote scriptures all the time. So I think it’s awesome that she’s doing it also.
Angie Hall 03:51
You’re welcome. Yeah, so that that, to me was vital to think about, and so if we’re shifting our faith, if we’re placing it somewhere else, that that is the thing that will cause us to feel like we need to renew it.
And there’s nothing wrong with that; renew, refocus, whatever it is that we want to do. But how do we do that? I feel like God hooked us up and gave us His Word.
There’s tons of examples of people who did that very thing. They placed their eyes on the things that that we’re hoping for, and their convictions on the things that we’re not seeing. If we wonder how to do it, there’s umpteen examples, just in that one chapter, of how to do that.
And that it can be done in various circumstances. And I love that the author used people of all different walks of life. So it wasn’t just the who we would think are the superstars of the faith, it’s people from all walks of life.
And then there’s collective examples, as well as individual examples. And so I feel like the Lord hooked us up in that in that regard.
But guess what else he did. He told us that we overcome by the power of our testimony, our testimonies could be added to chapter 11; In that we are walking examples of a faith that God had put in there, As soon as we choose it, we are walking with Him. We could write our own stories in there, or in a journal or whatever, and come back and read those. And that’s a good way to fine tune and refocus and remember what he’s done.
Ty Belknap 06:10
I like that. If I could pick your brain a little bit more on this, let’s say somebody feels like, especially with everything that’s gone on with COVID.
Angie Hall 06:51
Well, if I’m thinking about that specific example, about churches that didn’t make it. There have been churches that didn’t make it for varying reasons during this COVID time; whether it literally was because of attendance going down and people that were not necessarily feeding into it, or not being able to feed into the ministry due to loss of work, or whatever.
And some people literally had to close their doors. Or it was because of some controversy or conflict that arose from some of the political sides of things that took place in the last couple of years. You know, there’s varying reasons, but I would say that step number one is that talk with God; to be okay with asking him: Why?
Because everybody wants to ask: Why, Lord? Yeah, go ahead and do that, because he sees what we’re dealing with anyway. And he’d rather us just spill the beans with him; spill it on him.
It’s the same thing when we have these battles with our faith sometimes, or we get knocked around a little bit. We get to the point where we’re again at his knees, at his feet, and throwing our hands in the air and saying, “I don’t have the answers, I don’t know what I’m gonna do.”
But it’s in those places of that weakness, it’s in that place of surrender that God speaks to our heart. And we do get that nugget of hope, that light. And I think that’s our step toward him in, it opens the door for him to say, “Okay, do this. Now do that. Go there. Call that person.” Or you’re flipping through Google or Instagram and you come across this place that you didn’t know existed, and you go check them out.
Or you’re checking out this online church experience, and it blesses you that day, until you figure out what your next steps are. But I think that’s it. It’s the point of surrendering and being okay with giving God the disappointments, because he’s the best one to handle them.
Ty Belknap 09:30
If you don’t mind me expanding on that, or maybe taking the next step of that.
Angie Hall 09:57
Oh, for sure. I think that what we all have experienced, whether it’s inside the church or outside the church, but we’re talking about the church right now. What we felt, and what we actually walked through was a complete shift of what church even means to us.
What is church? and I think that was really more our community base, and what we were doing socially, taking up more of our mix, when you talk about what church is that had the majority of what we view church to be.
So when those things got rocked, we didn’t know where to place it. Because doing community together is so different new. For most of us, whether you’re in a mobile spot, like what we are, or you’ve got your own building, and you’ve been to, it doesn’t matter, gathering together looks different today than it did two years ago.
Most of us have had to deal with some mental health things. They’ve always been there, but I think that it’s just heavier now. And so the things that I believe I used to be able to kind of squirrel a little bit from the everyday, from the mundane from the work life isn’t there now.
We get into this routine, and we feel like things that we’re doing every day will always be there. And what we all learned together was that No, they won’t.
And so now, going back… even if we’re going for people who have gone back to a semblance of that, it doesn’t feel the same anymore because we’ve all dealt with such life changing things, life impacting.
We’ve, all got a good taste of realness, we’ve walked into a wall of reality that we didn’t deal with, on a day to day basis, before.
And now that wall is the real thing, we can’t not see it anymore. It’s there. That’s making us have to refocus. But I think it’s numbing in for some people because they’re just not ready to deal with the fact that that much has changed. That kind of change is dynamic, but it doesn’t mean it’s always bad.
And I think it’s like saying, Okay, God, you saw this, before we ever entered into it, you knew this space, you knew this situation, you knew the world would encounter what it’s encountering, and you placed me here for such a time as this. What would you have me do? Where would you have me be? You would have me do something, like I know you would. So what is that Lord, and just sit in that and listen to what that might be.
And that could be in the season to sit and heal, to sit in him. And it could be that you reevaluate what it means to serve God. Because what it means to serve God needs to line up with what we learn about what serving is, Biblically, and how that transfers to where we are today in this city, this region, this town.
But I think that some of the things that most of us have learned about what serving meant, we had made that an all-inclusive idea. So when that got shifted or taken away, it just threw us for a loop.
And so now it’s time to breathe, and go back to basics.
When you go back to what he did do, that gives you all that you need to figure out what you’re going to do or what you should be striving to do. Because he said that we would not only do what he did, but we would do what he greater things than those.
Ty Belknap 14:47
That’s true, He did. One of the things that I liked that you talked about was “change” because in the past two years, we have had so many changes that we don’t didn’t want to have, and so many changes were forced upon us.
Personally, I think that renewing your faith or refreshing your faith is a change that we might want to have a lot more than some of the changes that we have been forced to have lately.
And, Angie, I know that you went through a great change not too long ago, because one of the aspects you talked about was all the politics that have come up, and you actually used to go to a church that had a huge political divide itself. And that’s how Pacific Coast church started. How did that change make you feel? And how did you work through that?
Angie Hall 15:52
It wasn’t how it happened that really caught me personally by surprise, in a drastic way. We thought that we had been working through some of the challenges and some of the differences, because we’re not expecting to gather together any time soon and everybody be clones, and everybody thinking exactly the same, and everybody believing exactly the same about everything in the world, that’s just not real.
And it’s actually just not even wise. If you think about it, you should be a bit more eclectic in your body, because, truth be told, that’s what the world is like. If everybody’s thinking exactly the same, doing exactly the same, sees everything exactly the same, that gets a little bit culty and a little boring.
In the Bible, there’s too many examples of churches where that’s just not the case. I think for me, the biggest part that caught me off guard was, how much of a disconnect there was on what I felt was truth on what was basic fundamental Christianity in our applications of what we believe politically, I’ll put it that way.
It was not my idea to have to change everyone’s thought about who they’re going to vote for or whatever, we’re not going there. But I felt that the baseline that we all should have been on one accord with was not something that was set, or the tone wasn’t set by my nor their political choices.
As leaders, we needed to be able to follow that, even if it went against something that we felt differently about in the political realm or in our communities or in nationalities, all things. So I had been a part of that body for 19-20 years. I trusted them (the church elders) to my family; I trusted them with my children, because when you’re doing life like that so closely with others, they have a big influence on how your kids can be shaped. And the biggest word to use when I walked away from that situation was betrayed. And sad.
So my initial instincts were to crawl up in a bed in the fetal position, if I’m super honest with you, for I don’t know how many days. But at the same time, the pastor in me kept thinking about the people who were almost instantly church homeless, based on how that happened.
They knew nothing about what was happening, so I fielded a lot of phone calls; why is this happening? What’s going on? It broke my heart, honestly.
And I spent a lot of time praying, asking the Lord to please get them all because they’re his people, they’re his children. And I said, God, they’re yours, please catch them, please don’t let them be gone and let this be the only example they have, or the final example they have of what it looks like for your people to walk together in community.
So it was a doozy. And our first thought was not let’s start another church, you know, that was, that was not we, we honestly as a as a leadership team. And I’ll only speak for the senior pastors and myself. We were torn, we were beat down. But we knew that the Lord cared for those who were there.
So we prayed that through and said, Lord, if this is what you want, we’re here. But you’re going to have to strengthen us, you’re going to have to be the one that that that provides.
We’re eight months old right now, And every day we’re still asking him to be the one to choose and the one to provide. And although we know how to do certain things, we’re not being presumptuous. We’re saying, Lord, what would you have us do in this moment? What would you have us do moving forward?
And we’re not trying to cookie cut anything, even though we’re doing some things that we’ve done before. It’s not our desire to go in and say, we’re going do things our own way.
We’re opening the doors and saying, Lord, whatever you would have us and getting it back to the basics of what we were talking about a minute ago, that how you renew your faith, you get back to the foundations. And that’s what we’re doing.
Ty Belknap 22:09
For those reading this, there’s a reason why I wanted to ask Angie that. Because with everything that’s going on, there are so many churches that have been up-heaved, in one way or another, it’s true.
I’ve been to a church myself that was like that. And sometimes you’ve got to recognize that what’s happening in the church is not Biblically accurate. And we can’t blame God for what’s going on at that church. When I was younger, I actually did that, which is why I walked away from the church when I was a kid. And I had to learn that there’s a big difference between God and church. Churches can do God’s will greatly.
And sometimes they can fall away from God greatly. I think I think part of our calling as Christians is to recognize that, and when we see it, to take that very difficult step and go to our pastors and talk to them about it. But if they refuse to see it, or if they refuse to repent, then it’s our job to leave.
Go somewhere else. Yeah. Sometimes it isn’t a big issue. I just started going to Pacific Coast church myself recently, because the last church I went to, they had a very specific political view that they would talk about during their Sunday messages. And my personal belief is that I don’t think politics have anything to do with a Sunday message. The pastor can have whatever political view he wants Monday through Saturday, that’s just fine. But on Sunday, it’s got to be God’s view and not political. And so, that’s why I asked you about that to help other people see that what can happen in a church doesn’t mean that we walk away from God, we could walk away from a church without walking away from God. So thank you so much.
Angie Hall 24:19
Yeah, you’re welcome. And if I could add one thing to that, too, because I think this is super helpful. It helped me growing up to hear this, this one little thing, and it’s helped me to be able to apply it, regardless of the situations we go through.
And every one of us, we are human. It’s not if we will fail, it’s when we will fail. The healthiest church, in my opinion, is a church who keeps in front of everyone, leaders on down, that it’s not if there’s an issue, it’s when there’s an issue, this is what we will do.
When there’s an issue, this is how we will walk this out, and then have the accountability and the integrity to actually do what we’ve said we will do when that applies to ourselves.
You see what I mean? Because we can all look at everyone else and make, you know, we can say a lot, but when it’s time for us, we’ve got to be willing to walk out those things as well.
Dr. Ty Belknap of Simple Christians interviews pastor Angie Hall.